Hi!
Macht die jemand oder kommen wir dieses Jahr nicht in den Genuß von Stats?
Stats LL Nord
wer macht die stats? hab nen fehler gefunden - muss sofort geändert werden 
ne is nur a scherz.. muss ja net verbessert werden, aber schaut mal ob die W grundsätzlich richtig vergeben wurden. Bei uns wurde des falsch gemacht - da wurde das W an den Pitcher gegeben der zuletzt im Spiel war und nicht an den bei dem das Team in Führung ging.
Nur so als Hinweis - aber vielen Dank für die Mühe
ne is nur a scherz.. muss ja net verbessert werden, aber schaut mal ob die W grundsätzlich richtig vergeben wurden. Bei uns wurde des falsch gemacht - da wurde das W an den Pitcher gegeben der zuletzt im Spiel war und nicht an den bei dem das Team in Führung ging.
Nur so als Hinweis - aber vielen Dank für die Mühe
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Stefan Lachenmaier
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Der Win geht nicht immer an den Pitcher, der gerade im Spiel ist, wenn das gewinnende Team in Führung geht. Von daher ist die Argumentation noch nicht so ganz schlüssig...Bei uns wurde des falsch gemacht - da wurde das W an den Pitcher gegeben der zuletzt im Spiel war und nicht an den bei dem das Team in Führung ging.
Aber ich bin nicht für diese Liga zuständig, kenne daher die Scoresheets auch nicht und kann nicht sagen, ob ein Fehler gemacht wurde oder nicht. Sven gibt Dir sicher die entsprechenden Kontaktdaten...
Viele Grüße,
Lucky
Die Statistik der LL Nord macht Veronika Fürmann. Wenn Ihr irgendwelche Fehler entdeckt, dann bitte e-mail direkt an vronif@gmx.net.
@Mad-Matt
Poste doch hier mal den Linescore des betreffenden Spiels und die Zeitpunkte der Pitcherwechsel, dann können wir ja zusammen diskutieren, wer den Win bekommen soll. Wäre mal wieder ein nettes Quiz für das Scorerforum.
@Mad-Matt
Poste doch hier mal den Linescore des betreffenden Spiels und die Zeitpunkte der Pitcherwechsel, dann können wir ja zusammen diskutieren, wer den Win bekommen soll. Wäre mal wieder ein nettes Quiz für das Scorerforum.
Also soviel ich weiß bekommt immer der Pitcher bei dem das Team in Führung geht und von diesem Zeitpunkt an nicht mehr abgibt den W! Wer denn sonst?Stefan Lachenmaier hat geschrieben:Der Win geht nicht immer an den Pitcher, der gerade im Spiel ist, wenn das gewinnende Team in Führung geht. Von daher ist die Argumentation noch nicht so ganz schlüssig...Bei uns wurde des falsch gemacht - da wurde das W an den Pitcher gegeben der zuletzt im Spiel war und nicht an den bei dem das Team in Führung ging.
Aber ich bin nicht für diese Liga zuständig, kenne daher die Scoresheets auch nicht und kann nicht sagen, ob ein Fehler gemacht wurde oder nicht. Sven gibt Dir sicher die entsprechenden Kontaktdaten...
Viele Grüße,
Lucky
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Karsten Lentge
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Hallo,
@ Mad-Matt
Sorry, aber beim Thema "Winning-Pitcher" bist Du leider nicht gut informiert.
Siehe Official Baseball Rules:
(http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/of ... rer_10.jsp)
10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
(1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
(2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed
(1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or
(2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.
Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.
(d) A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.
Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned.
Mad-Matt, vielleicht hast Du es mit dem Losing-Pitcher verwechselt?
Habe die entsprechende Stelle auf kursive Schrift geändert.
Viele Grüße
Karsten Lentge
@ Mad-Matt
Sorry, aber beim Thema "Winning-Pitcher" bist Du leider nicht gut informiert.
Siehe Official Baseball Rules:
(http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/of ... rer_10.jsp)
10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
(1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
(2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed
(1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or
(2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.
Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.
(d) A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.
Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned.
Mad-Matt, vielleicht hast Du es mit dem Losing-Pitcher verwechselt?
Habe die entsprechende Stelle auf kursive Schrift geändert.
Viele Grüße
Karsten Lentge
@Karsten
Achtung: Du hast hier die 2007er MLB Rules gepostet, die im DBV noch nicht angewendet werden. Die neuen MLB-Regeln werden vermutlich 2008 bei uns eingeführt.
Im Prinzip stimmt das auch, es gibt aber zwei Ausnahmen:
1. Der Starting Pitcher bekommt keinen Win, wenn er nicht genügend Innings gepitcht hat. Dann geht der Win an den effektivsten Relief Pitcher.
2. Ein Relief Pitcher, der sehr schlecht pitcht, bekommt keinen Win. Auch dann geht der Win an den effektivsten Relief Pitcher.
Achtung: Du hast hier die 2007er MLB Rules gepostet, die im DBV noch nicht angewendet werden. Die neuen MLB-Regeln werden vermutlich 2008 bei uns eingeführt.
@Mad-MattAlso soviel ich weiß bekommt immer der Pitcher bei dem das Team in Führung geht und von diesem Zeitpunkt an nicht mehr abgibt den W! Wer denn sonst?
Im Prinzip stimmt das auch, es gibt aber zwei Ausnahmen:
1. Der Starting Pitcher bekommt keinen Win, wenn er nicht genügend Innings gepitcht hat. Dann geht der Win an den effektivsten Relief Pitcher.
2. Ein Relief Pitcher, der sehr schlecht pitcht, bekommt keinen Win. Auch dann geht der Win an den effektivsten Relief Pitcher.